DejaVue #E054 - Open Source Sustainability (with Daniel Roe, Chad Whitacre & Rijk van Zanten)

Michael Thiessen: Welcome to DejaVue. Alexander Lichter: It's your favorite Vue podcast. You just don't know it yet. Or maybe you do probably because, well, that's more than one year of Deja Vue in episode 54. And As you might see and hear in a second, it's a special one. Michael, what do we have here? Michael Thiessen: We have a bunch of people here, not just one guest, but we've got three guests. We're doing a panel on open source sustainability, so that's going be a fun discussion to get into. Alexander Lichter: Absolutely. Probably you've already read it

in the title like, hey, that's a good topic. Who do we have here, all to, to join us in the panel to indulge us in nice discussions, maybe a little feud coming up? No, of course, that's not the case. Rijk and Daniel, they won't get into that. And, yeah, please, let's let's do it from left to right. Whoever wants to go first, introduce yourself. Who who are you on here? Maybe a bit about, like, you're involved in open source and, yeah, what what are you up to? Rijk van Zanten: Left to right on whose screen? Michael Thiessen: Alphabetical order.

Chad Whitacre: Gosh. Daniel, you were starting to Daniel Roe: I see myself as on the left. That's my Chad Whitacre: You're on my left. Yeah, same here. Daniel Roe: Okay. So maybe I am just canonically on the left. My name is Daniel. I am an open source developer, full time open source developer. I lead the team building Nuxt, which has some other people on the team as well, including Alex here and some other amazing folk as well. And before that, I had a small software as a service startup. I

had a creative agency before that. And then before that, I did totally different things. Chad Whitacre: Was a church leader, studied law, lots of stuff in the background. But yeah, that's me. Am I canonically next? Alexander Lichter: You are. Chad Whitacre: All right, my name is Chad Whitacre. I'm head of open source at Sentry. I've been at Sentry for a little over four years leading initiatives in open source sustainability from a company side trying to fund open source maintainers.

And we launched something about six months ago called the Open Source Pledge, where we're trying to get other companies to join us in paying the maintainers. But my background is in web development going back into the Python web framework wars of the arts that gave rise to Django and Flask and whatnot. So that's kind of where I cut my teeth in Python community web development going back a ways and landed here at Sentry.

Alexander Lichter: Sweet! Rijk van Zanten: Awesome! And then last but not least, I'm Rijk van Zanten, the CTO and Co Founder of Directus, also an open source developer. That project has gone through some iterations and trying to make it sustainable as an open source project. So we turned it into a company to make the things sustainable long term. My background is in user experience design originally, and then rolled into agency work as a more of a software developer, full stack type of person, do a little bit of everything and then into this. Alexander Lichter: Here we are. And these are our wonderful

three panelists including Michael. Michael, who is a wonderful full time educator around the Vue Nuxt ecosystem. So I mean, co host of this podcast obviously as well. And, yeah, bringing out the new content as well as his new addition of of Mastering Nuxt launched recently. So definitely check it out if you're into Nuxt or wanna be. Michael Thiessen: Yeah. And my cohost Alex here is, Daniel mentioned, part of the Nuxt core team and recently DevRel at Void

Zero. So that's pretty awesome. And so you'll be seeing more of him on the internet for sure. Alexander Lichter: Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully, more than before even. Chad Whitacre: Alex, congrats on that. Daniel Roe: Yeah. Alexander Lichter: Oh, yeah, thanks! Chad Whitacre: That's awesome, man. Yeah. Alexander Lichter: Thank you so much. Go ahead. Daniel Roe: I mean, speaking of open source sustainability, it's a real move towards open source sustainability, right? When companies like Void Zero are able to employ people like Alex