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"v0 is my prototyping tool of choice and once I have a really good prototype that I'm happy with then I go to Devon."
"We did $33,000 split amongst whomever opens and merges more Devon PRs than me over the course of May."
"I think humans will start the process. I think of it like flying a plane. Humans will take off, decide where to go and land typically, but not actually write all this code."
"Change is uncomfortable, right? It requires work and energy and biologically I feel like we're trying to save our energy all the time."
"Generally my flow is v0, Devon, Cursor is probably how I would say it."
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t.com/howi ai. Hey, so I'm super excited to have you here. And before we dive into the demos, I wanted to call out something that you said a couple days ago, which is Devon, the AI engineering agent, who I also love, is writing 41% of your PRs right now, and you expect it to go to 80% by the end of the year. So, do you think that's the baseline that we should all be shooting for? Do you think you're way ahead of the curve? Where should we all be compared to that
benchmark that you just set? I feel like I tell the team constantly like we have a lead you know but the lead is getting shorter and shorter every every day every week there's a new model coming out so I I would say like by the end of next year I would suspect that like every engineering team at any company is you know using cursor and devon and v0 and all these tools to ship you know a multiple times faster and the question is is mostly like can organization adapt such that those people can do so right like the
bottlenecks are are show up in other places like Tony just tweeted about you know his simplify AI stuff today and I think that becomes the question is like how fast can you actually change your organization your culture especially when you're remote it's harder to make these big changes across the org to get people to learn new stuff uh to try and fail and cross share learnings you know all that all that kind of stuff okay so we're going to do it one at a time which is you're going to show us how you actually redesign or build something
