Tim Neutkens, Co-Author of Next.js on the State of Next

so pretty much everyone that has used react before at least in like a server environment has seen like one of those errors before where like you Nest your like P tags and that's not fa HTML so like it's get gets thrown away um and then like react doesn't know how to hydrate it and then the error that you get is like uh hydration field because P tag basically that kind of thing um and uh it was just like really hard for people to understand like where is this thing actually coming from uh and at this point we now have have uh like a a

diff view of that which basically showed you exactly the line that was changing and uh one of those examples is like if you do new date and you just render that and you hyr it on the client the date is now different obviously um but that now is highlighted as well so there's like a like a diff view that just says like plus minus and then like this is a change Tim nokins joins us to talk about the state of nextjs with additional insights on versell turbo pack web pack and more hey everyone welcome to this

episode of the modern web podcast I'm so excited to be here today my name is Tracy you can follow me on Twitter at lady El or on LinkedIn at Tracy sley and I'm joined by my co-host Adam rakus hello Adam hello you can find Adam on Twitter Adam Rus um and Tim is joining us today as well hello Tim hey thanks for having me yes yes so excited to have you and um Tim tell us a little bit about yourself and also where we can find you yeah I'm

uh Tim notkin on uh on Twitter uh get up anywhere else really um I work at for sale on NEX Jaz have been at forel for almost seven years now um and most of it working on nexs uh so if you've ever been on get up on NEX repo you've probably seen my face somewhere um and uh in the last like uh two years I was

like managing the Nexus team and then after that uh moved back to being an IC uh working on um mostly turbo recently um trying to uh to get that over the line uh very close on development and silver can builds as well uh so yeah that's the the very short of it uh and uh yeah sounds good yeah I think I think it's really fun because you know I just get excited about what everybody else is working on and so when I see excitement which I feel like all the excitement

these days is if you look at react is kind of in the verel sln next ecosystem right so it's really exciting to see just again all the Innovation coming out of there and um I don't know that's what everybody is talking about is there anything else that anybody's talking about I just I'm completely unaware what do you think Adam anything else or is this all we care about these day these days uh there's lots of other

things but for the for the context of having Tim on I think we can start there I can name lots of other things people are excited about but let's stick with Tim's wheelhouse and talk about versell stuff yeah so um well like you said you've been working on turbo pack a lot and I know Adam actually has a lot of questions um Adam why don't you kick us off um tell us about how close you are uh to shipping turbo pack to stable and what it will mean for existing next.js

users I think that's a good place to start yeah sounds good um so the I guess like some background for your listeners um the uh like current nextjs is based on on weac it's been based on weac since the the very start uh very first version of of NEX sh um actually the very first version of NEX didn't use weback which is also in fact um but then after that we quickly like move to weback similar