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Hi, welcome everyone to the Verscell community live sessions. Uh my name is Jacob Paris from the Verscell community team. Uh we're streaming this uh live out tox and YouTube, but if you want to participate in the chat, please come into community.cell.com. forcell.com. Uh you can find the event here. Click going
and you'll be able to unlock the chat where you can participate. We're going to have a little bit of time for Q&A at the end. So feel free to drop any questions. Uh just like one more reminder to please follow our code of conduct if you're going to hang out in the chat. So remember to be respectful. And I would like to introduce our guest today. Uh welcome Raph. Jacob. It's a pleasure. Thank you for having me. Yeah. Hey. Yeah, thanks. It's good to see you again. Um, Raph and I met a few
a few months ago at a community co-working event uh here in Toronto. So, that was very fun. Yeah. Yeah. So, um yeah, thanks for thanks for coming on to uh talk to us today. Could you tell everyone a little bit about yourself? Of course. Um I'm Raf. It's a shorter of a full Italian name that is a video from me. I basically I work as a senior product designer and design engineer. I
the long story the short like long story is like I have a software engineer background but I work all my life as a product designer and very excited to be here and showing some stuff that people told me it's kind of cool and I would love to demonstrate a bit more of what's ahead and what I think Bzero is really great at for for a product design perspective. Cool. Cool. Yeah, we'd really like to really like to see some of that. Um uh out out of curiosity, how long have you had a like design engineer title? Like
Versell is the first company I've seen that started using that, but I see they they seem to be pretty popular now. So that's a good question. I think like Versel most likely standardize it, but the way I say design engineer is not like adding cute things or animations or oh look at this page, I'll look at the whole things. I feel like the craft should it's more like holistically speaking and I I I've been calling myself design engineer. I do think that there's a point where there's also this part of like hey being an AI product designer per se where the
ultimate experience is what matters and how we get there. Uh which is not most likely just adding a little bit of things here and there to feel like oh you know that could have been different but now there's some flare and there's some motion. Does it make sense? I feel like there's a lot that got lost into the into the fleshy part of like seeing something that is um animated but that's not what I think design engineer looks
like. Uh and uh I'm trying to stay a bit way of that just showing things more with more intentionality per se. Yeah. Yeah. I really like that. Um you you mentioned AI product engineer. What what does what does that mean to you? Is that a product engineer who uses AI? Do you build AI products? So, I'm going to give you an analogy, Jacob, to you and to all the people listening. Um, I don't I don't think AI should be like the salt at the end of a dish. So, you don't put it at the end. It should be baked in. Okay? So, I don't
know. I don't think that like having a conversation on the titles really matter because like company right now, companies right now are still figuring that out. And guess what? We are still figuring that out. I am still figuring that out. I was also stoked about coming here and showing people how I've been using this for a project recently. So I'm not sure I'm the best person to have the opinion of how I draw the line between product engineer AI product engineer product designer engineer or whatever. But I do think that that AI is the new normality and is we should even