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Guillermo Rauch
In this episode, Nathan chats with Guillermo Rauch, CEO of Vercel, to discuss how AI might shape the future of code, software 2.0, and the open source question in AI. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive With the onset of AI, it’s time to upgrade to the next generation of the cloud: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. OCI is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. Train ML models on the cloud’s highest performing NVIDIA GPU clusters. Do more and spend less like Uber, 8x8, and Databricks Mosaic, take a FREE test drive of OCI at https://oracle.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X/SOCIAL @labenz (Nathan) @rauchg (Guillermo) @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS (00:00:00) - Introductory comments (00:03:43) - Rauch's background in open source software like Mootools and Next.js (00:04:27) - Overview of Vercel and the front-end cloud concept (00:06:15) - Productivity gains from Vercel's front-end infrastructure (00:14:50) - Sponsors: Shopify | Omneky (00:21:00) - Rauch getting inspired by GitHub Copilot code auto-completion (00:24:00) - Launching Vercel's own AI product vZero: production-ready UI code from natural language prompts (00:29:17) - Sponsors: Oracle | Netsuite (00:30:00) - Transition to discussing the future of software development (00:34:12) - vZero surpassing Rauch's own hand-coded website on accessibility (00:51:00) - Discussion about focusing on the full stack beyond just the AI model (00:54:00) - Concept of Software 2.0 using data and AI instead of classical code (00:56:00) - Maintaining software 1.0 while aggressively expanding into 2.0 paradigm (00:56:12) - Philosophical support for open source and skepticism about risks (00:57:12) - How open source software tends to quickly improve over time (00:57:47) - Prediction that AI may "ossify" existing software 1.0 technologies (01:01:12) - AI enabling more grassroots innovation like Mark Zuckerberg originally did (01:07:00) - Concerns about regulatory suppression of open source AI progress (01:03:00) - Unpredictability of new risks that could emerge like impersonation (01:11:00) - Rejecting AI doom narratives but staying vigilant on capabilities (01:12:00) - Concluding thoughts on embracing AI progress with appropriate caution #vercel #aiprogramming Music licenses: VVRX2AYL2W3D1ZLW UDDK7AJNDEELXMDM FXIURYYSEUE4LJ3U
my own personal website I painstakingly crafted every pixel for and I've been doing front and Engineering for 20 freaking years not only were was I able to reproduce my entire front end my entire app with just natural language prompts but where I was really shocked was when I pressed view code and what I found was better code than what I wrote and for example one of the areas where it was objectively better was it was more accessible
uh the AI produced not just the icon but it produced the label Twitter and the label Twitter was only being displayed for screen readers meaning for people that need assisted devices to navigate the internet and that had slipped my mind is is little details like that that AI will just you know they have infinite memory like Mark andreon says infinite patients they have access to infinite data and they keep getting more and more and more so it's going to be hard to compete with that hello and welcome to the cognitive
Revolution where we interview Visionary researchers entrepreneurs and Builders working on the frontier of artificial intelligence each week we'll explore their revolutionary ideas and together we'll build a picture of how AI technology will transform work life and Society in the coming years I'm Nathan leens joined by my co-host Eric torberg hello and welcome back to the cognitive Revolution today I'm glad to get get past the recent drama and return to our regularly scheduled programming and my guest is GMO Rouch CEO of versell
the front-end Cloud that enables developers to build and publish wonderful things GMO is by any standard a world class software developer who now like so many other Founders has recognized the transformative power of AI and begun to Pivot his company around it for versell so far this means releasing both open-source template projects that embody the best practices for developing
llm powered token streaming applications and also developing their own unique Pro Tool vz. deev which allows developers to prompt for and iterate on interactive uis directly in the browser but of course these are just the beginning in this conversation we discuss coding assistance as llms breakthrough use case the critical importance of developing the skill of using AI tools effectively the future of software development by
human AI hybrid teams why and how AI will be incorporated into essentially all software products which types of AI experiences make sense as gpts and which are better with Standalone uis the business strategy that informs AI product strategy the importance of staying up to dat on AI developments and constantly questioning one's assumptions and why GMA believes that open source approaches will ultimately win out in the end as always if you're if you're finding value in the show we'd appreciate a review on Apple podcasts or
Spotify and we always love to see people sharing the show with their friends now I hope you enjoy this conversation about the future of AI and software development with giero Rouch of versel gjer Mo Rouch of versel Welcome to the cognitive Revolution great to be here Nathan good to see you yeah great to see you too it's funny we um have you know known each other mostly from a distance for a long time I've been following your career as a software developer ER since you were I think 19
years old and kind of a technology Prodigy working in Buenos Iris I don't know if it was your first project but the first one that I came across was the mo tools Library which I used to uh build a couple web applications back in the day um and since then you've gone on to found this company versell where you're the CEO and um you really have built a remarkable reputation for just super high quality work throughout the software industry so I kind of wanted to spend a little bit of time setting the