Guillermo Rauch the future of NextJS, JAMStack, Vercel, edge networks, & eventually consistent state

welcome to another episode of working programming uh this week i am with guillermo rauch uh guillermo thank you so much for for joining me um would you mind giving like a quick uh introduction sure um i'm the ceo and co-founder of vercell and i'm the co-creator of nexjs which is our open source framework for building and deploying javascript websites and applications yeah and uh next.js is obviously i i

would say it's like the it seems like it's the number one uh framework for building react applications now like at my work um we do a little bit of gatsby work now for for jamstack as well but uh yeah next.js is definitely it seems like it's um it's kind of taken over because of the whole uh you know the serverless capabilities and being able to do like dynamic data as well um so yeah you know the react space is

obviously as a whole growing really really fast we've been lucky to you know really have been one of the first frameworks that was strongly opinionated and this idea of frameworks should you know give you all these basics like routing built-in css built-in data fetching built-in um another interesting thing that we did that i think has helped a lot is like multiple pages built in you know like funny enough like the very

own create react app which kind of came out at the at about the same time that we were about to get nex js out with the substantial difference that we had already been dog food in nexus for a year by the time we we uh we put it out um so even creator react i've had this idea like oh it's a single page and that's it right and like we had this need of like funny enough i always tell the stories like well we have this need of two pages

and and the example is we had our terms of service and literally this is how our startup you know started you know like we had three pages home page uh enter your email to be notified of what we're going to be working on um and then we had the privacy policy and inter services you know we're taking user data uh we have to have it and even though it's just an email right and um yeah uh and i was like wow all this information all this static pages are now going into

the bundle that webpack is outputting and when create react app came out imagine that you're working on a thing right and like you see the very authors of this react component that is so uh you know that's so important to you and to your creation and you see then put out a quote-unquote competitor to your idea well you'd you'd

probably be at the very least you know a little shocked worried always yeah i wasted all this you know wasted this entire year working on this but for us was the office it was like oh wow you know they're putting it out and we actually disagree strongly on business and that and we thought we already lived through this uh we already tried to have you know that bootstrapping mechanism that it was featuring at the time oh we already tried and discarded that and and not because it's bad but like oh we

you know kept working on our product and so on and iterating with the framework and we found that you know oh you can do more and you can do more and you can do more um so what we did is at that point i told one of my co-founders now yuki it's like hey like um let's just take this stuff that we've been using internally and and productize it and that's how xjs was born and you know he was featuring all these ideas that really resonated with people that were um